“Change Into A Truck” Art Print by Tim Doyle (Second Edition)

Second editions seem to be quite popular lately, huh?  Tim Doyle has just released a second edition of his popular “Change Into A Truck” print.  It’s an 18″ x 24″ screenprint, has an edition of 130, and is $25.  Visit NakatomiInc.com.

114 Responses to ““Change Into A Truck” Art Print by Tim Doyle (Second Edition)”

  1. Tired……
    Plus Boooooo/Hisssss for a 2nd edition

  2. oh man…that surely killed the value of the print

  3. Man, I paid $75 for an AP of this because their own site stated that one those were gone, that was the last of ‘em. Now a second edition. I’ll not make the mistake of shopping Nakatomi again.

  4. this is pretty weak.

  5. yeah thanks tim, way to kill the value of ppl who bought the first edition.. hell, are u gonna make a third edition if these go well? uggh.. im gonna sell mine asap while it still holds some value..

  6. Way to go Tim! Been looking for one of these prints but didn’t want to buy from a flipper. Lucky for me, I’ll be buying the print for the image itself, not the edition or to make a buck.

  7. Tim Doyle has no soul.

  8. boycott all artist printing a second edition. If the artist wants to print as many as he wants then he /she should be honest and advertise the print as an open edition. Also, since Doyle didnt keep his promise of limiting the print, people should be able to return the print if they no longer want it.

  9. Well, I guess if I’m going to defend other people’s right to do a 2nd edition, I guess I should do so w/ my own.

    The art is redrawn, and there is a big fat blue ’2nd edition’ printed in the corner. It’s a larger edition size, and I’m selling it for cheaper.

    Tired or not, fact is, I get emails everyday from people still wanting this. From people not in the poster collecting community. Bringing in new people to the hobby is essential to keep it alive.

    Collectors more concerned about flipping for profit rather than ensuring the future of the medium is exactly what killed comic books and baseball cards in the 90′s. That’s a fact. It became an insular community of people selling ephemera back and forth faster and faster until it burnt itself out. New hobbyists are essential.

    And, as a new father (next month) I owe it to my family to provide.

    Those first editions still exist, and their edition is unchanged.

    I heard someone put it this way ‘flippers hate artists making money, as it gets in the way of the flippers making money.’ But those flippers don’t put food on the table.

    I love screen printing because it makes art accessible, and not at inflated gallery prices. And doing prints that sell like this enable me as a business to take risks and push lesser known artists on my site I other wise would not be able to.

    Thank you for all the orders, and as usual, I stand by everything I do at Nakatomi. Anyone who wants to discuss this directly with me, is free to email me at NakatomiTim (at) gmail.com

    -Tim Doyle

  10. never buy anything from this guy again, cant wait to see the 3rd, 4th, 5th ……….. edition. oh wait, do people still want to buy his stuff after all this BS edition?

  11. Well put Tim. I really don’t understand all the complaining over 2nd editions, especially when there are changes made to the work. 1st editions are still 1st editions and 2nd editions are just that, 2nd editions.

    If your only interest in purchasing the work is the potential value of it then do everyone else a favor and don’t buy it. I’m sure there is someone else out there that will give it a good home.

  12. Thank you afrosteeziac. I’ve had a ton of orders on my site today for this, all coming from the OMG link, so it’s good to know that the vocal minority is the minority, and not the rule. Now if those guys would speak up as well, I’m sure we could have an amazing discussion on our hands about this.

  13. I want to congratulate Tim in responding professionally and respectfully to the ugly allegations being thrown his way. It would be easy for him to ignore all of you or respond in kind with negative barbs, but he chose to openly and honestly explain the situation and invite anyone still upset with the second printing to talk with him directly.
    Let’s get one thing straight, it’s a second printing, and it is clearly labeled as such. Natkatomi is not trying to pass it off as the original poster, therefore the perceived value of the original printing remains the same. To call for the boycott of this man’s business is ridiculous. I’m sick and tired of people hiding behind stupid screen names and bashing others online. It makes you all look small and petty.

  14. Missed this the first time around. I have mixed feelings about 2nd editions as well but I don’t think it was a bad idea for this print. Original run was pretty small and it’s an image that many people seem to love. Thanks for the 2nd chance Tim!

  15. “And, as a new father (next month) I owe it to my family to provide. ”

    Ah yes, the truth comes out. The issue isn’t that you made a 2nd edition per se, it’s that it wasn’t disclosed upfront. Don’t make limited editions if they’re not limited. Advertise your shit as, “Yeah I’ll probably print a bunch more if these sell well”.

    Oh wait, you can’t do that because that level of honesty would probably result in you not selling nearly as many prints. Live by the limited edition, die by the limited edition.

  16. And for the record, you’re wrong about baseball cards. Obsessive 3rd party grading systems, subsets (aka variants), and just the sheer HUGE numbers of baseball cards is what “ruined” the value.

  17. you people are over reacting. this is a parody print of a cartoon robot that transforms into a truck. if you are that wildly concerned over the killed value of your PARODY PRINT OF A CARTOON ROBOT THAT TRANSFORMS INTO A TRUCK maaaybe you need to take a step back from ‘collecting’ for a while.

  18. Hey Now-

    As stated, it’s brand new art, marked 2nd edition. That 1st edition was limited. There are no more.

    I guess you’re right, it’s totally wrong of me to try to support myself with art. Wow. You are a great humanitarian.

    I know it’s the internet and people like to complain w/out fear of consequences, but if you step back, you will notice that more people getting into the hobby is good. Artists supporting themselves is good.

    This is like book collectors complaining there was ever a second edition of ‘Christmas Carol’. The more people who came on board, the more valuable that 1st edition became.

    The short-sighted nature of this argument is staggering.

  19. Baseball card collecting actually peaked in the mid-late 90′s — What killed it? The addition of numerous subsets diminishing the value of the originals. Beginning in 1994, flagship companies began introducing new, premium sets (e.g. Fleer Ultra, Topps Finest, Bowman’s Best)… Because those new sets sold well, more sets were introduced, further diluting the market (Bowman Chrome, Bowman Rookies, Topps Vintage). Before long, the market was flooded with too many inserts, rookie cards, and autographs, thus frustrating collectors and collapsing the market. Lesson learned? Keep it limited and simple and buyers will always come back for more.

  20. I can’t see what’s different about it. How about posting some other comparison pictures that show just how “new” it is when compared to the other one?

    It’s amazing how some people try to justify their greed. Why not create some TRULY new art. Or are you all out of ideas on what to make a transformer out of?

  21. @ Hey Now.
    your a twat.

  22. I can’t believe he’s comparing limited edition art to a book. Most artists are complete nimrods when it comes to the business end of things.

    Hey Moog, it’s YOU’RE. You moron.

  23. this thread is like your drunk dad getting into a fist fight at Teletubbies on Ice.

  24. Hey Now-
    I was going to stay out of this, as I had a pretty comprehensive reply, but you are out of line.

    If by ‘Greed’ you mean supporting my family, then you are crazy. I don’t live in a mansion…I’m barely middle class here.

    I create new art all the time. I’ll have 2 brand new prints out by the end of the year. Just put out the crab a week or so back.

    It’s fairly easy to google the image, or go to Nakatomi to see the original. They are different. There’s way less detail in the new one…it’s more streamlined.

    I realize you might think you’re on a righteous crusade, but you are arguing about a parody print of a cartoon robot.

  25. This is so unbelievable wack. I am glad I decided not to buy this print. Doyle just lost a lot of fans and potential customers.

  26. As someone who has the first edition (and paid higher than the original asking price for it), I’m totally fine with the second edition’s existence. I didn’t buy the print because it was a “collectible” — I bought it because I thought the series was fun and cool. I have no intentions of ever selling it. I like it on the wall of my apartment too much!

    I think there are two types of collectors — for comics, cards, action figures or art prints — those who collect them to archive them for themselves and later share with friends and family and those who treat it as a so-called investment and only see a theoretical cash value. I buy “collectibles” because I think they look neat and in some way represent my interests in a way that I am unable to create. I think that’s what makes it fun. If you start to stress over the perceived value of a print or whatever, then I think you’re kind of forcing yourself into a mentality that takes away the joy of collecting in the first place. But hey, that’s just the way I look at it. You’re more than welcome to obsess over your “investment.”

    And as far as Nakatomi’s prints go, they’ve been absolutely solid. I own 5 different prints so far and they’ve all be superb. The “Belltower” wood print was fantastic and they’re doing some fine work — even if you have to wait a few months to get it! Don’t let your emotions over “collecting” get in the way of supporting the artwork you might otherwise enjoy. What’s the point in that?

  27. You’re absolutely right, stupid art with stupid editions for stupid people. Carry on.

  28. Hey Tim,

    When does that Blade Runner poster your doing come out??

  29. I think people are overreacting … I could see Verdena owners getting pissed when Malleus released Ketsueki, or Emek Mars Volta owners with the MARSians release. In those cases, hunting down the original cost SIGNIFICANTLY more than the follow-up release of the same image. I paid $30 for my first-run Change Into A Truck — Prior to this second edition, I could have flipped it for about double that. Potentially losing a $30 net gain is hardly something to throw a fit over, especially considering the reason I purchased it in the first place was because of how much I enjoyed the image.

  30. Tim, you are a fun and talented artist. I enjoy your work, as does the majority of the poster community. These negative comments are coming from sad and unsuccessful people who use sites like this to let out their anger. Keep up the good work and know that MOST people, myself included, understand the need to feed your family and, you know, make ends meet.

  31. The only bummer about this is that i bought an AP for about 65 cause i thought that was the only way to get this print again without supporting flippers.

    This is a fun image, and plenty of people missed out early on. If you bought this with any reasoning besides really enjoying the artwork, you are probably an idiot.

    I might pick up another one as a gift, 25 is a great price.

    I wish people bought art because they liked the artwork.

  32. Tim…you should make a PINK and PURPLE variant run for all the whiners on this thread!!!

    I own a 1st edition and love the fact there is a 2nd edition now…i wouldn’t trade my 1st for a 2nd so my first must still have greater value then the 2nd…so i dont know what everyone is complaining about? The 1st edition lost $20 in value? OMG! no pun intended!!!

    peace
    phistory

  33. I have to praise Tim Doyle for coming here to defend his choice in doing a second edition. I firmly believe that this second edition does nothing to devalue the previous edition. It is clearly stated and marked on the print as to what it is, making it in my eye a separate piece of art. There will still be those out there looking to have a ‘first edition’ – this is the same with any collectible, and more so with art. If a comic is released later as a graphic novel, does it devalue the original comic? No. Does a limited edition 7-inch lose it’s value if a musician chooses to release it on a CD? No. What it does is it makes it readily available to more to enjoy, bringing in new people to enjoy said comic/CD/art print. As new people come into the fold, it helps maintain the business with people to support it. And, trust me, some of those new people coming in will be determined to own a first-edition print, which will still increase in value over time.

    Another point – any chance for an artist to support himself and those they care about is justified. It keeps the artist in a state where they are able to create more art. It allows for more people to hear about the artist, and it allows for the artist to develop creatively-wise. AND it increases value for earlier work and for ‘first editions’. Simple good business practice for anyone, and all parties eventually win. Even those looking to ‘cash in’ on their first editions.

  34. The strike killed baseball cards. That, and kids couldn’t afford them once they got stupid-fancy. So if Tim and other artists aren’t going to stop working, and they keeps things accessible, aren’t posters going to get stronger?

    Everyone that thinks eBay is the most important part of posters stills has foil Emeks and Mr. Brainwash to keep themselves busy, so, feel free to move on if this has you so fired up. I swear to god, expressobeans would be pretty cool if it weren’t for the Price History and Sales Chart sections.

    I really like how “Hey Now” can talk all that nonsense behind an anonymous screenname. I mean, what kind of douche would deliberatley choose an anonymous handle like that…oh wait, it’s exactly what I did…but he’s still an ass.

  35. I just wanted to say thank you Tim. I missed out on the first edition and refuse to buy from resellers. I buy art I want to hang on a wall, not because I think I can resell it at a profit in the future.

    You have a business, flippers have a hobby.

    So thanks again Tim, you gained a new fan and future buyer. Good luck on the family, and I hope you still have time to put out new prints.

  36. Thanks for making art accessible to those who pay their own bills and don’t have trustfunds Tim! You rock!

  37. I almost feel ridiculous even replying to this thread as most of the people commenting in here feel the way i do about it.

    I am a proud owner of an AP of the first edition and really don’t care at all that he is printing a second edition of the print. I think the majority of us that own this print own it for the fact that they like hanging it on the wall, not for the possibly value of the print.

    No matter how many editions of this print come out i will still own an AP of the FIRST edition, and proudly hang it on my wall next to my other prints. Thanks Tim.

  38. I am looking at the art for the CIAT AP and the CIAT 2nd edition and they are OBVIOUSLY different. Hell, Tim could even call the 2nd edition print a 1st if he wanted to BECAUSE they are so different.
    If this is the blow up over a 2nd edition, not even a simple reprint, I can only imagine what that first collector thought when he bought Warhol’s Soup Can #1, went to the show at Ferus Gallery and saw 31 other can’s hanging next to his. The blogs must have gone crazy and eBay probably crashed.
    Hey You, I challenge and encourage you to doff your 9-5 and lay pen to paper for your room and board. You would mostly likely find that the majority of the collectors here at OMG, as well as other fan sites, would be more supportive than derisive.

  39. “More than meets the eye.”

    The arguments presented as a critique of a clearly marked 2nd edition variant reveals that the motivation of poster art ownership and/or appreciation is based on the limited 1st edition’s monetary value.

    An exact 1955 Ford Thunderbird replica is still a replica and will never trump an original.

    If the 2nd edition has caused you so much rancor, sell your orginal 1st edition art at your purchase price to someone who will galdly enjoy it.

  40. People complaining all the time about second editions is ridiculous. If you cared more about the art and enjoying it for yourself compared to flipping it, it wouldn’t bother you so much. Plus, it’s the artist’s decision whether they want to make a new edition or not, and there isn’t much you can do about it. You can stop buying their work, but more people will be interested in it now that there are more editions.

  41. Lol! A flipper calling an artist greedy. Lmao!

  42. Tim, you dirty bastard! Taking the food out of flippers mouths and feeding your children instead! Selfish! How dare you try to make a living doing something you love! (In case you can’t tell I’m being sarcastic.)

  43. The second edition
    is clearly marked “second edition,”
    as you can see.

    If you bought the first edition
    because you like a handprinted
    image of welldrawn popculture humor,
    it doesn’t matter that the second edition
    is marked “second edition.”

    If you bought the first edition for the value you speculated it would have since it was a limited edition, the second edition being marked “second edition” assures that that potential first-edition-qua-first-edition value will remain intact.

    Seriously. It’s not proliferation of the image via prints (or offset posters or color Xerox or widespread web reiterations) that can compromise the market. It’s only a change in the number of first-edition prints that would compromise anything. I mean, really, people: What’s your fucking problem? Are you a bunch of idiots?

  44. “#
    det122, on November 16th, 2009 at 12:43 pm Said:

    boycott all artist printing a second edition. If the artist wants to print as many as he wants then he /she should be honest and advertise the print as an open edition. Also, since Doyle didnt keep his promise of limiting the print, people should be able to return the print if they no longer want it.

    patients running the asylum.

  45. I don’t see the big deal here. If you bought the 1st edition because you liked it then the 2nd edition won’t make you like it any less.

    You people should reevaluate why you’re in this hobby. Once you start worrying about how much money something’s worth or how much it’ll hold it’s value this isn’t a hobby for you anymore. It really sad that people can’t just enjoy a hobby without trying to change it into a job or to turn a profit.

    If you buy things like this for the right reasons you’ll never have to worry about situations like these.

  46. This thread is the definition of shitting where you eat. Good idea, keep insulting collectors as if they’re all ‘flippers’, wow what a brilliant move (collectors don’t read this blog at all, right?) It’s also hilarious that you all think 99% of the artists profiled here would sell out anything if it weren’t for the ‘collectibility’ of limited editions.

    Some of you are dumb as rocks if you think you’re doing Tim any favors imo.

  47. These are the same assholes that make it impossible to get one of those LOST prints. You want to boycott artists who run second editions? Fine. Makes it easier for me to get what I’m after. I also commend Nakaomi for keeping the prices reasonable and accessible. I’m much happier dealing directly with the artists, rather than flippers.

  48. So…I don’t think anyone is saying that “all collector’s are flippers.”

    Matter of fact I’ve seen quite a few instances of people saying that there are more than one type of collector out there.

    Second…I’m not sure I understand why people are getting their shorts in a bunch over this.

    1.) The art IS DIFFERENT.
    2.) It is CLEARLY LABELED AS A 2ND PRINT

    I mean, if it were a situation where it wasn’t labeled as a 2nd print and it was the exact same art as the 1st print with absolutely nothing to distinguish the 2 between each other….well then yes. I would see the point everyone is trying to make. However as has been said it’s different.

    This whole thing is stupid to be getting upset about.

  49. As usual, this conversation has gotten blown out of control….

    If he wants to make a second edition, that’s fine, that’s his right, but trying to claim the art is more than a tiny bit different is kind of a stretch, imho.

  50. parody print
    cartoon robot
    (turns into a truck)
    your drunk dad
    fist fight
    teletubbies on ice.

  51. I mean, these two editions have a pretty different target audience, the original, smaller edition is for the collectors who are into prints not only for visuals, but as a potential investment. The larger second edition is for the casual fan who wants a cool image.

    The collectors will still want the original, while the casual guys don’t care and aren’t likely to start reselling these on ebay either.

    The outrage is largely unjustified, it’s not like you bought a really expensive piece of original art, just to find out that the artist is painting the same image ten more times and selling it for pennies. I think there is also a lot of truth in what Tim says about getting new people into the scene, when they get a hold of their screenprinted piece of art, they might feel compelled to start buying “real” posters instead of “regular” wall decoration.

  52. Not to hijack this thread, but I couldn’t help but respond to Dalyn. It’s ridiculous to suggest that flippers alone are making the Lost prints so hard to come by…. Unless you really think the support of 200 fans have kept the show on the air for going on six seasons.

  53. Just to add to the dialogue: While I’m in agreement that artists deserve to make money off their work, I also think doing second, third, fourth editions are frowned on for a reason. In that they are making something less limited. I know people have mentioned that these are numbered differently, redrawn etc, but it comes down to them being less rare. Thus less sought after, thus less valuable.

    If a artist chooses to do a second edition, that’s well within his rights, but he is doing a disservice to those that have bought his art as ‘an investment’. While its easy to scoff at those people, buying art as an investment is not a ridiculous idea, if they started printing off hundreds of Picasso’s etc, the value would drop. Same thing here.

    People collect rare stamps, rare comics, rare shoes, rare anything. So producing more of older work (instead of new work), something people assumed was a closed edition, well that just takes the fun out of a lot of collecting.

    I know people have disagreed with what I’m saying, but please don’t tell me collectors (apparently that’s a dirty word around here, even though it is the lifeblood of most poster artists’) don’t have a right to be upset, complain, etc.

    Nothing personal against Tim, he seems like a decent bloke, just trying to point out the reason people might be upset, and may just have a right to be. A lot of this entire scene is built upon collectibility, and once you take that away (i.e multiple variants, multiple editions, etc), well people might just move onto collecting something else. Just my 2 cents. Carry on.

  54. I buy collectibles because I think they look cool, not because I think I can sell it for profit. And what right do I have to whine like a bitch on a message board if the artist makes a new edition? He doesn’t owe you a god damn thing if the only reason for you buying the thing in the first place was to make money of it.

    Funny thing is. The second edition is already on Ebay.

  55. Wow. You kids are nuts, huh?
    I don’t usually comment but I damn sure collect and I think it’s great Tim released a 2nd edition of a really popular print.
    Hell I wish Tyler would release 2nd, 3rd, and 4th editions of all his Alamo stuff so I didn’t have to sit there and drool at eBay auctions I can never afford.
    And yes people, having a kid tends to get your priorities in line and quick. No longer can you sit around and hope rent gets paid next month. Rent has to be paid AHEAD of time so you can afford healthy food and warm clothes for someone who needs that stuff.

    Starving artist = cute, Starving artist w/ family = sad.

    Do your thing Tim, don’t sweat the basement jocks.

  56. This is ridiculous. You buy art because it’s limited and hope to sell a profit in the future? Your doing it wrong.

    You should buy it because you enjoy it and want to keep it and such. It’s pleasing, it’s eye candy, whathaveyou.

    The fact that you people who whine about this 2nd edition is stupid, some of you are probably the same people who whine when you can’t get a print and then blame it on flippers.

    Flip happens. Truth.

  57. Can’t we all at least we can all agree that this 2nd Edition print is STILL better than the godawful Michael Bay Transformers movies?

  58. I’m calling out the admin on this one. It seems a little weird to me that you would “step in” only after the tide seemed to shift in Tim’s favor. Where was your claim of things “blowing out of control” when people were calling for a boycott of this man’s business? You comment of “If he wants to make a second edition, that’s fine, that’s his right, but trying to claim the art is more than a tiny bit different is kind of a stretch, imho.” leans in favor of the naysayers. As the admin to this site shouldn’t you take an impartial approach to the threads? That’s just my honest opinion.

  59. You’re not calling anyone out. I’m just like anyone else, I can share my opinion, I don’t have to always be impartial. I’m a poster nerd, just like you. Have you read many blogs? Well, most blogs are MUCH more opinionated than this one. I think it’s pretty clear from the amount of coverage that Doyle gets here that I am not out to sabotage him. Relax.

  60. Of course he’s not out out to sabotage Tim. That man pays GOOD money to advertise 2 sites on here.

  61. it’s funny to see how many people saying they dont mind 2nd, 3rd, 4th edition.

    http://www.arkitip.com/printed-matter/hecox/

    when was the last time we saw his print sold out within a day?
    over printing kills the value, where those “COLLECTORS” are?
    the fact is flippers are not going to buy his stuff any more, people who used to like his stuff are waiting to buy them for a cheaper price on ebay, end of story………

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  63. I purchased #28 in the first edition, can I get #28 from the 2nd?

    Thanks in advance, I think after Derek Hess and Frank Kozik, you are #1. Well, besides Jermaine.

    Love,
    ElRoi

  64. Some people collect for profit and some people collect for fun. I’m of the latter variety, I bought Tomer Hanuka’s last print not because they are a run of 50 but because I saw it here, liked the image and it now sits about my mantle – in fact most of the prints i’ve bought have been because of this site and they area ll up on the walls of my house. I saw Tim’s print and said i’ve got to have that because i didn’t get the 1st edition – it to when it arrives will go on my wallm its monetary worth is irrelevant as it’s aesthetic is much more valuable to me. I wanted Dan Mccarthy’s Lost print but i’m certainly not paying the asking price that some Lost “fans” are tryingto sell them for on eBay… and I think that’s why Daniel Danger is hinting at a varient of his Lsot print becoming availbe possibly. So it’s either love or money – as the saying goes.

  65. I’d have way more respect if the artist would just say, “F-U I’ll do what I want” and just leave it at that. Trying to defend reprints by making silly and unproven statements like ‘MORE available prints increase the desirability/ demand for that print” just makes you look like you have no absolutely no clue.

    Everyone is catching on that this ‘limited edition’ tag is being used by a growing number of artists as a bullshit sales tactic rather than a statement of truth… not a good thing for anyone, artists and collectors alike.

  66. Any true collector knows that the value of the first edition holds and that any serious collector will want the first edition. The second edition allows people who like the print to afford it. The people buying the second edition are not the people that would spend the big $ on the first edition from another collector anyway… those serious collectors are the market for the flipper anyway.

  67. sooooo… basically you’re angered because tim’s response to an extremely popular design is causing you to lose money

    you shouldn’t be pissed at tim
    you should be pissed at yourself for liking and purchasing something that is popular

  68. The people complaining about how a second edition made their first edition less valuable or less rare apparently have zero concept of how ‘collecting’ actually works..

    Tim did not print a new stack of the exact same print and begin numbering them where he left off on the original run. Now THAT would ruin the value and rarity of your print. This is a DIFFERENT edition. Aside from the obvious differences in the artwork, it is CLEARLY printed on the front that it is a SECOND edition and numbered accordingly. The people that collect art as a ‘potential investment’ will still value the FIRST edition higher than any subsequent editions. It is still JUST as rare as it was before. There are still only 80 copies.

    The idea of new editions destroying the value of the original is absurd. To choose something more modern; there are over 120 million copies of the first Harry Potter book in circulation yet first edition copies have sold for $40k.

    But, relating this to art; I’m sure the billions of prints of the Mona Lisa that are floating around have totally ruined the value of the original….

    Heck, let’s even look at the original inspiration for this poster. How many tens of thousands of the Obama poster have been printed? Yet, the original edition still fetches around $2500.

    All this fuss over a parody poster of a cartoon robot that changes into a truck..

  69. the other thing is… there is no guarantee on what you buy. Do you go into the Honda dealer and say “Hey guys… I bought this car last year… I see you are selling the same model with some different options… don’t you know you ruined the value of my car? burn in hell Honda”?… no you don’t, there is no guarantee every poster will retain/increase in value… and as a collector you nimrods should know that…

  70. I have been collecting prints and posters for a few years now and if there is one thing I can not stand it is the assholes that lurk online to buy prints only to flip them. Kudos to you Tim for doing a 2nd edition and GIVING YOUR FANS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR. If the flippers thought they could make a buck on this there would be no complaining. I bought a 1st edition a/p for $75 and I will not complain because there are clearly differnces in the edition and I like the art enough to be willing to pay the money for it. I would gladly pay an artist twice the cost of a print before I would pay a dirty lazy flipper one cent over the original cost. The secondary market for these prints is getting rediculous. Just look at expressobeans. There isnt much talk about the actual art. Go into a Fairey release discussion and the first posts are inquiring about the “flippability” of the poster. If you dont like the art dont buy it.

    I will be purchasing plenty more prints by Tim Doyle and the other artists at Nakatomi for the simple reason that I like the work they do. Tim Simply gave the fans what they asked for. The only people who seem to be mad are the people who are worried about not being able to sell the print for a profit in the future. If that is the case then go out and get another job and you wont have to worry about the lost income

  71. i love it when retarded collectors get stupid retarded.

    love it.

  72. “The only people who seem to be mad are the people who are worried about not being able to sell the print for a profit in the future. If that is the case then go out and get another job and you wont have to worry about the lost income”

    And that’s where you reveal yourself to be a complete moron. This ain’t about making money off Tim and his little art print, it’s about lying to people to sell yer shit (‘these will not be reprinted’ was actually on the freakin’ sale page!)

    If you even don’t get what the issue is by now, there’s no hope for you…buy away, ya lemming.

  73. God forbid anyone should have something labelled 2nd or even (shudder) 3rd edition…the humanity…when I go to a friends house, if they dare to have art hanging up labelled “2nd edition”, I immediately tear it from the wall, call them a fake, and never speak to them again…clearly owning a 2nd edition means you dont care about the art…
    So fuckin ridiculous….

  74. Seems more like a new variant print rather than a second edition. But it says 2nd edition. So…

    It’s still ink on paper.

  75. What’s the big deal?

  76. Tim,

    Keep up the good work. I dont understand why an artist cant support his family, when everyone complaining probably has a full time job or still lives at home with mommy and daddy.

    Make as many editions as you want. Regardless, both are different. Plus it gives other people a chance to get one.

    Your work is great and your a true professional.

  77. I’m sure all these gp artists posing as ‘buyers’ to defend tim here will pay his bills once the print sales dry up completely.
    ‘Sure, make as many editions as you want, yadda yadda blah blah…’ Morons.

    Y’all better help tim out, cause everyone else that would buy these things just left the building.

  78. Just Me,

    Yeah, you’re right. Not all LOST prints are being bought by flippers. There are actually very few popping up on eBay. But holy shit they are going for at least 250-300+ when they do.

  79. ok, i am now pissed. i just punched my assistant in a fit of rage.

    i don’t own either edition, but i could….and that gets my blood boiling.

    !!!

  80. So, (and I didn’t read all the comments) all the collectors are upset because the first release of this was released as a limited edition and now there’s a second edition? Correct me if I’m wrong here, but just calling it an edition to begin with implies the potential for additional printings. Limited refers to that particular edition.

    Seems to me that this is just a gross failure of our educational system to teach some individuals to fully appreciate the meaning of words.

  81. Hi Tim,

    great print. just bought a second edition as i missed out on first. your earlier point is true…the more popular this becomes the more value the 1st edition will hold..as in the book scenario.

    ignore the haters!

  82. I think that was a pretty benign statement. It had to do with the bitching about Delicious’ second edition the other day.

  83. To admin:

    I agree with you on sharing opinions. Does that also include the editorial merit of your opening statement which seemed to set the tone for this post?

    “Second editions seem to be quite popular lately, huh?…”

  84. Good stuff Tim
    Stick to your guns.

    It’s not the same as the first, it says it’s the second edition.
    The end.

    Don’t like it, don’t buy it.
    Or better yet create your own prints and do what you want with them.

  85. Boo FUCKING Hoo.

    Nice print Manz.

  86. Murdoch just said what I was going to say.

    Let the artist do what he wants, if you don’t like it, make your own prints.

  87. maybe all you idiots worried about the value of your precious posters should take up day trading as a hobby.

  88. i stand with tim on this one. he’s playing by the rules, and i congratulate him on doing a funny and attractive print.

  89. I’m waiting for the 4th Edition. Pre-order?

  90. There’s opened and closed editions. What’s with this reprinting / numbering editions crap?

    Anyways, this is really his 3rd edition. He printed a butt load of APs.

    No more Doyles for me anymore.

  91. Between the comments here, and all the emails and phone calls of support from customers, friends, other artists, and GOOD LORD Jay Ryan coming in and saying hey, I’d say I’m on the right side of the debate here.

    ps- if this thread cracks 100 comments, do I get a prize?

  92. Tuffy- send a check.

    I love you.

  93. Who’s Jay Ryan?

  94. I bought the original artwork for this print. is this a good thing or a bad thing for the original artwork? and it says “revised” artwork for this edition. what does that mean for me as the owner of the OG?

    all thoughts/comments/opinions welcome (including Tim’s …)

  95. Here’s 94. Only 6 more to go Tim.

  96. It’s hilarious that Tim thinks he’s ”right”.
    Let’s all go over this one more time for clarity:

    1. Tim sells out 1st edtion
    2. Lots of APs pop up, sold on site markedup in price with note: “Get ‘em now! These will not be reprinted!”
    3. Tim acts like #2 never happened, prints 2nd edition because “people want them” and he needs money
    4. All hell breaks loose because AP buyers find out and call bullshit cause people don’t like being lied to
    5. He and his defenders start denigrating collectors as if they’re all “flippers”, alienating the very folks that visit this site and support artists like him
    6. Cue influx of GP folks to defend him–but it won’t matter because they don’t buy anything, they just bitch about ‘collectors’ and how jealous they are because they actually work hard to make money to afford to buy what the artists make. Such assholes huh?

    It’s also not mentioned anywhere that Tim sold posters long before he made them; I still think of him as more of a vendor than an artist. He’s well aware that the ‘marketing speak’ he uses to sell out limited stuff is misleading, and walked into this with eyes wide open.

  97. Hi — I am a casual poster artist fan and full-time book nerd. The person who brought up the “1st editions” of books was spot on. Thousands and thousands of copies of classic books have been made, in all shapes and sizes, and yet people still pay loads of money for 1st editions — and treasure them. They are still unique.

    If someone wants to enjoy the print, why not let them? As Tim said it’s quite clear the edition is new, it’s bigger (since people requested it), and therefore it should NOT affect the sales/desirability of the first run because they are different.

    If a great writer only made 130 copies of a book, you would have never heard of him and he would have died of starvation. Hence “starving artist.” Why is it that we are always expecting artists to give us wonderful things and not make money? If they don’t make money they won’t have the time/energy to produce the things we love because they’ll be busy working a crappy job like the rest of us schlubs.

    As long as there are still “exclusive” pieces that will make us feel special by owning them, why not let the wider community of people enjoy the piece, too — in a format that is more accessible and cheaper.

    I mean, if you owned a Dali, wtf would you care if your coworker has a mug with melting clocks on it?

  98. Tim,

    I would like to go on record and say that I agree with an artist making money. I agree with an artist getting credit where they deserve and if they’ve created an image that people love, they should be able to share it.

    But come on, Tim — let’s get serious here — are you really surprised at all that the same people that you promised there wouldn’t be a second edition of this to so that you could charge them twice as much for your remaining copies are fired up that you didn’t live up to your word?

    I’m not saying that this isn’t your art. I’m not saying that you shouldn’t be able to do whatever you want with your art — you should and, legally are. I’m just saying that being butt-hurt b/c people are upset about you lying to them so you can make money (which, as ugly as that sounds, isn’t said for anything other than to drive a point home) is stupid.

    Now, that said, I say that if you’re really worried about people not buying your stuff anymore (which you probably aren’t b/c poster nerds get butt hurt all the time but keep coming back to get their butts hurt again), why not just make this an open edition that’s not signed or numbered? That way everyone wins? Nerds get their precious limited editions and you get your sweet, sweet ca$h so your baby doesn’t starve or look like zombie baby from the new Dawn of the Dead movie.

  99. Stephanie, sorry that comparison is not even close.
    First off, this print would have to be a classic (it’s not even old enough to be considered) and second, no one told the 1st edtion book buyers that they wouldn’t reprint the book.

    Some of you aren’t even grasping what people are upset about.. IT’S NOT THE EXTRA EDITIONS, IT’S LYING about no more editions. No one made him promise not to make more, those were his own words, and they were used deliberately to sell out his APs at a markup. Shady all around no matter how much you try to defend it.

  100. Don’t you just love capitalism!

  101. I’m not a fan of 2nd editions but I have no problem with them either. The only thing I have a problem with is if the artist website stated “these will not be re-printed” as someone mentioned earlier and then a 2nd (slightly different) run was done. I realize it’s not precisely “re-printing” the original poster but it undermines the spirit of the message IMO. I think the artist should be able to do whatever they feel like with their business but I also believe the consumer should be able to trust their word.

    To be clear, I don’t know for sure if the website ever really stated these wouldn’t be reprinted or not, just taking that from a previous comment.

  102. 100 posts!! I love this print.

  103. “No honey, I didn’t have sex with her, it was just the tip!”

  104. Doyle sounds like middle school students I teach.
    Me: Put your Ipod away Johnny
    Johnny: It’s not an Ipod
    Me: Put your MP3 player away.
    Johnny: It’s not an MP3 player. It’s a media player because it plays video too.
    Me: You know what I meant put the damn hunk of shit away!!!!

    Doyle: 2nd edition for sale
    Poster collectors: What? You said the first edition was limited?
    Doyle: It is. This is a different print.
    Poster Collectors: Same colors. Same text in the same spot with almost the same graphic.
    Doyle: OMG, like, you guys are totally dumb. The picture is totally different and it’s says 2nd edition in little words at the bottom.
    Poster Collectors: You know WTF limited means and we know you know what it means so just STFU.

    I’m sure Doyle learned his lesson from this snafu. We’ll be able to tell whether he truly thinks he’s right or wrong by watching how he uses the words “Limited Edition” in the future.

  105. PWLongtooth is spot on.

  106. The first editions werent reprinted! This is a different version. Hence a second edition. Its not the same! Your precious first editions shouldnt be affected unless your flipping them.

  107. To: PWLongtooth November 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
    Re: Tim sold posters long before he made them;

    Tim made and sold his own art before an employer required role to ‘vend’ posters. He also release his own posters via the employer.

    I respect your right to misperception although inaccurate.

  108. personally i cant believe there was enough demand to print a 2nd edition. this to me looks like a dumb fairey rip-off. and whoever made a comment about artists being complete nimrods about the business side of things.. you are so right! i dont mean Tim, I just mean the artists i know in general. ive tried to help a few of them make money on there art and they just dont have a clue. artist use a different side of the brain i think.

  109. You guys are a bunch of assholes. If you dont like second editions, heres what you do…

    1. Start printing posters.
    2. Dont do second editions

    You are more concerned with your “investments” in your flat files than actually enjoying art. You ruin the hobby for everyone frankly. I like big editions, I like second runs. Gives more people a chance to enjoy the art. I have prints by no name artists that will never be worth crap, and I love them. Theyre in things called frames, and on my wall.

    Bottom line is, Tim is the artist. If he wants to do a second edition, he can.

  110. Another thing, upon closer inspection these prints are pretty different. I wouldnt even really call it a second edition because different screens were obviously used.

  111. [...] this second edition drove them absolutely nuts. In fact, they’re livid. Just look at this comment thread on OMG Posters! to see what I mean. To them, it’s the end of the world. It “devalues” the [...]

  112. To Tim: thank you for creating beautiful art; continue the great work. To the “flippers,” the speculators– YOU CAN ALL DIE. If you like a design, freaking buy it (if it’s within your budget). If a (variant) second (or more) releases come out for those who love the design but couldn’t buy (didn”t know of) the first edition, so be it. The firsties have number one, the rest of the folks have the varient of the first edition–and still have beautiful art: EVERYONE wins.

  113. …BTW, Fairey is himself a rip-off artist– do some research.

  114. I hope these losers don’t find out there is a third edition.

    Marko
    (a proud owner of a 1st edition which I paid MORE than the original listing price for, lol)

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